"It's always a bit discombobulating when people raise their voices in anger because they've gotten wind that designers are making and selling $25,000 dresses. After all, it's not as if the existence of a dress that costs as much as a car negates the availability of cute $25 frocks at Target. And it isn't as though edicts have been issued that all women must now dress like one of the superheroes on Balenciaga's runway.
For personal and sometimes tortured reasons -- I can't have it so no one else can! -- observers declare that they just don't understand the attraction of these strange and expensive clothes. That would be a fair argument if those same complainers lashed out at people who spend thousands of dollars on Redskins season tickets, vintage wines, first-edition books or midlife-crisis cars. But those industries don't stir nearly as much ire from people who are uninterested in them.
Everyone has a passion that is lost on others."
-Robin Givhan, The Washington Post, October 18th. Yes, Thin's In, But Why Is That A Surprise?
94 comments:
Thank you, kind ladygirl.
SO. TRUE. MUST MEMORIZE MONTAGE AND REGURGITATE IN FACE OF SMALL-MINDED NAY-SAYERS IN MY DAILY TRAVELS!!
Thank you so much for posting this!
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First of all, I love the word 'discombobulate' a lot, though I have no idea why!
Also, I'm writing this in my notebook, because it's brilliant. Thanks for posting! :)
worded perfectly! saving this for sure :)
ugh yes this is so true!
i absolutely hate it when people rant about how unwearable and nonsensically expensive runway stuff is. No one is making them wear it!
Another horible question is why fashion is so important, i just answer "it's not".
Nice to hear a voice of reason amidst all of the criticism of designer clothing and the accompanying prices... I personally can't afford most of the clothing that I like but I wouldn't criticize the people that can.
true
It's never been said better, truly.
I think this is a good point. Just because everyone can not afford or justify spending that much on clothing does not mean that is should not exist or is frivolous. I do have a huge problem, however, with the expectation that everyone should be striving to wear this stuff to be considered fashionable. I think it was in an interview with Conan or Letterman where Anna Wintour was asked how people without a lot of money could be fashionable (I could be totally butchering this quote) and she said that they could buy a designer lipstick. Lipstick is not going to cover very much.
Well said, well said. Bravo, Mr. Givhan.
-Chloe
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you're truly a smart girl.
keep up the good work!
i adore your style so much!
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yesssss. spot on, robin givhan. Everyone has some sort of obsession (sports, music, food) that they really care about, and fashion is no more shallow than any other passion.
Eureka! Someone gets it!
Elena-You make a really interesting point and in some ways I agree..But Anna Wintour has the good majority of the fashion industry on her shoulders and she has to promote designer SOMETHING. The "you have to wear this to be fashionable" thing is stupid and I don't like when magazines are so dictator-like but the same kind of thing also sort of has to exist or some fashion houses don't exist. Plus, it's not like the only options of what to wear are really expensive designer clothing; a lot of magazines call attention to finding deals (not magazines that call $500 shoes a deal, but you know what I mean.)
i think it is more like buying a piece of art, isn't it?
so that is good and happy
Soren Lorenson-Depending on the piece, yes. Oh, my favorite argument is "art is more important!" when people will buy cruddy artwork just because it's well marketed and by a big name. Not much different from a Louis Vuitton monogram.
You know I've always agreed with this! http://wendybrandes.com/blog/2007/10/why-does-buyers-guilt-focus-on-fashion/
I remember when you wrote that post Wendy! And now I'm going to read it again because I remember how EXACTLY! I felt after I did so the first time.
thank you, indeed.
Amen Sistah! I was just having this very same discussion last week. or rather argument with someone who did NOT understand fashion. so frustrating sometimes!
"Oh, my favorite argument is "art is more important!" when people will buy cruddy artwork just because it's well marketed and by a big name. Not much different from a Louis Vuitton monogram."
Very well said Indeed!
you are right!
When someone uses the word "discombobulating", i sure am listenin'! This quote is very interesting indeed.
Si este blog lo ha hecho una niña de 12 años, o 13 actualmente, tengo que decir que es un genio. Pero eso es algo que se ve y se siente, tendrá que demostarlo en el tiempo o todo será una mentira.
¿Hay protección para esto?... y detrás hay un adulto visionario y original?
Sea lo que sea se verá, y si ella es así.
Ha nacido un genio!
No one has to justify their interest and/or love of fashion - and especially not you! Look at the excitement and joy you're bringing to so many people - and you're only 13! Fashion a frivolous waste of time and money -me thinks not!!!
That is the perfect quote, I wish I had a good memory and I would go around quoting it back to people, perhaps I could print in on a piece of paper and make them read it.
I have been subjected to the narrow minded tronks such as this. Why do people need to almost defend there own lack of designer, I dont care if the whole world chooses to wear Primark - just leave me alone in my Chanel induced fantasty land!
This is a really interesting quote, and funnily enough, in a bit of a strange way links in with what I was writing about on my latest post. My argument was that people assume that if you like fashion, you must be frivolous- without finding out anything else about your character first! It's obviously a point that many people are thinking about at the moment.
As mentioned by some other people, I do have a bit of an urge to learn this and recite it off by heart whenever it's needed.
I basically think that some people just won't accept that some fashion and style is an art form now. Looking at a designer like Hussein Chalayan, or Alexander McQueen-I think their work is so much more innovative than a Damien Hirst animal in a tank!
Thanks for posting this, I really enjoyed reading both the quote itself and the comments from other people...
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hm, Ive been reading some of the comments, and it's a really good discussion. And I rage over the fact that expensive clothes causes raised voices in anger too while expensive other crafts don't.
How much a garment is worth is not but sometimes a cost of the soul put down in it, as a craftmanship, and when that soul speeks to your soul haven't we the right to buy it? Thats how I see art. (and who does'nt!? monogram vultures but besides them...) Something with soul that speeks. And I find myself cought in my tourettes syndrome- twitching and ticksing when finding a piece of art, wheter in a garment or a chair. Or lipsticks. Someone out there have giving the time to found the perfect colour or the perfect shape, or managed to put down their broken heart or twisted mind in an avant gard dress. Why do we have to apologize for supporting art and craftmanship? We do not have to agree about loving the same creation, or see what the others are seeing in that craft, we find love in diffrent creations since we've been through diffrent shit but the essence in beeing creative and behind the creation that speaks, is the same although reaching diffrent klients. We are amazing creativ people, let's celebrate and support that, instead of celebrating the creation of the hiarki of people that rule over other people suffering. Hm, but still that can lead to other discution of Who are making the clothes and the sewers condition, environment and so on. But............blah, I got tired. I'v been writing to much now and about shit we all already know.. haha. Either way, Let's celebreate today - peoples guts, currage, brilliance and soulgiving that make them creating pieces we feel like dying for. HURRAAAAY!
(Fashion is not nuclear)
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AMEN BROTHER!
ive posted about this very fact before how everyone turns up their noses at what they dont know about.
great quote im going to read the whole thing now.
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very well written.. you sum this up pefectly! if only you could come with me when people argue with me about this and be my debater! :)
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Haha, you are ABSOLUTELY right. Especially, I think, about mid-life crisis cars!
x
Finally, someone who made that point. A $25,000 dress is a piece of art, and people are willing to spend much more on a painting. I'd continue this and make it a rant, but considering I have to get to school.. ♥
soo true! i love the very past sentence.
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so true! i love this!!
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He said it right!
I want to print this on a large sign, and shove it in people's faces next time they question something I'm wearing.
WIN.
very good point to make!
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A great point to share. Thanks, Tavi.
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Thats great! Thanks for posting. :)
I collect quotes that try and explain why those of us who love fashion do, and this quote is just great!! Thanks so much for sharing it!!
i cant wait until someone buys a million dollar dress... maybe then average people would take fashion seriously.
maybe its that fashion is like water, s necessity, and like some gawk at at $600 meal or a $5 bottle of water, they can't make the connection that because you need it, it shouldnt be worth anything? i don't knowm, its crazy
sorry about spelling, i hate this keyboard..
Ugh~ I love that fine written piece of work!
I am into many expensive things (What isn't expensive these days though...? Even collecting stamps...they're getting closer to a dollar everyday =.= Not that I collect them. >_>')but I do have hobbies that people go, "WHA? Why would you spend that much on making a costume?!" I'm like, "People spend way more money on a saddle for their horse riding hobby. -__-;
If someone isn't into it, they will never see the other side of their argument. Unless they're very open and put themselves in your shoes, which most people don't do. I gave up arguing with people about how I spend my money though... and if I see a nice pair of expensive shoes. I will buy them. As long as I know I can afford them. ;]
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i don't mind what price designer's sell a dress for, it's their own business.
i wouldn't buy it, but i also wouldn't buy season tickets (what rubbish!), wine (ewww), cars (i don't like cars) or first edition books (i love the library). hehehehe :)
xo
yes
why not....
I completely agree with her. I absolutely LOVE Robin Givhan. She is always so brilliant in her articles.
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TOTALLY agreed. Love the quote :)
Hmmm...I don't neccessarily agree with this quote. I understand his point, but am turned off by the justication of dropping that kinda flow on ANYTHING. Be it sports, wine, clothing what-have-you...Granted, a dress that spendy would not likely be mass produced, so I can understand the steep price tag, especially if there's hand detailing...However, I can't stand how our culture seems to push consumerism as a means of status. I'll go ahead and shut-up now.
*her point.* sorry 'bout that.
This is one of the reasons I only read my local paper and the washington post. They are both so far removed that they can be truthful about...well i guess the truth....(?).
haute couture is an artistic medium. works of art have intrinsic value. the dress of "fine sewing" is worth $25K the same way a painting can be worth $25,000. duh! you're such a smart young lady, tavi. thanks for posting this quote.
owned, win, and i agree, thank you, robin givhan.
I thought this article was great too, especially Givhan's point about buying season tickets to a football game not being considered a frivolous expense vs. fashion, which generally is. I've always defended my obsession with clothes using sports analogies.
Maybe we shouldn't question the fashion industry less, but the other industries more.
Countering the critique by defining it as a lack of understanding is all well, but surely there's a lot of rich people out there who buy expensive clothes for the sake of the sum, as a status symbol, instead of art? (Then again, they buy expsensive everything, not just clothes.)
It's obviously a gender thing though, the criticism. A woman spending a lot of money on clothing is considered frivolous, but who in his right mind will comment on a man buying a yaught to enhance the size of his penis?
The "everyone has passion that is lost on others" is so true.
so true.
I don't agree with the cost of designer clothing. but I understand why people buy it. I'm the type of girl that will spend a lot of money on books. I'd be the type that would spend thousands on a first addition book. so I completely understand why people pay the prices of expensive clothing.
I'm passionate about clothing too, but I tend to go for vintage, which is much cheaper.
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Nicely put Tavi!!
thanks for the word list and writing article - you're really cracking my head open (in a good, metaphorical way of speaking, of course)! :-))
the only good part of this entire quote is "everyone has a passion that is lost on others."
YESYESYESYES. Must get published in my school's fashion magazine.
preach it, sister.
love the blog, keep it up!
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That is really rather inspiring. If you ask me.
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You complete genius, you!
I think this is a great quote, Tavi, but Givhan really missed the mark with the rest of her essay. Journalists trying to be sociologists - argggghffppp. Dismissing fashion's agency and responsibilities in regards to body weight and diversity simply because the outrage against the industry stems from an overweight society? She's mistaking symptoms for causes and that's both misguided and irresponsible.
You are just a dream girl ! You are so clever !
An invaluable point. Thank you for posting this!
-Meg
I don't care where it comes from, aslong as its cheap (see student budget), approved by me/stylin, and preferably ethically made.
Lisa bandit - I have to agree with you. I don't really think it's justifiable to spend that kind of money on *any* consumable good: champagne, football games, etc. And I do think that clothing can be art, but in this quote it isn't being regarded as such: it's a good to be worn and flaunted. It's the sale of an identity, which should be created not from $$$ gear, but from personality and personal ingenuity. If you have that kind of disposable income, I hope you're also trying to save the world, at least. I love fashion, and I love you Tavi, because you're all about being real and unique, not meeting some socialized norm... And I'm done
Oh boy. I read the rest of the article, and I agree with it completly! People are getting fatter, so more people are complaining about models. finally someone says that
I know I've already commented on this post, but all the other comments are so fascinating! It's great when you find such a like-minded community who understand how you think. And whatever the price, a dress will always beat a car in my opinion! But then I suppose each to their own, as long as that doesn't mean judging them for their choices (such as fashion.)
Oh, and I also realised that I probably sounded a bit pushy in my other comment on the Miu Miu post. I didn't want you to feel obliged to look at my drawing or anything (as I realised that's kind of how the comment sounded), just if you had the time, to maybe hear your opinion. Just wanted to clear that up. I think I'll just leave it now. (:
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Gee, I just read the rest of the article, and the western focus of the whole thing just startles me. Fashion worldwide focuses on superskinny because... the average person is fat? Seriously. In America, maybe. And okay, obesity in Europe is increasing too. But come on, the average Asian woman is like size -2 and they look at the same models as we do. :) The logic of the post is completely twisted, and it's all too easy to deny the writer's point with historical arguments.
Which is all completely besides the point of your post, though. Sorry!
Love it, perfectly said! I hate when people are trashing fashion and saying how they 'just don't care about appearances' when we all know that the only reason they feel that way, is that the insecure in themselves, and their income for not being able to afford that $25,000 dress.
THANK you for sharing this.
Discombobulate yourself, Tavi! ;-))
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Mmm...discombobulating...my word of the week
true
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True and proven.
True, and proven.
Love your blog.
such true words!
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Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel about the rest of the article..this is the part that really stuck out to me.
But I'm saving my own elaboration on this quotation for a post..
very well put.
Well said. Thanks for posting this!
-Catherine
today I was introduced to your blog while getting a hair cut with a friend of mine who is an independant fashion designer (and cuts hair at her store)
she was flipping out with your blog.
so curiosity made me check it out once i got home (with so much less hair)
so you blog rocks!
as do you tiny lady.
All my regards to you from Santiago, Chile.
thanks I will continue to visit.
The rest of the article is a different matter, but for the sake of this isolated quote and your point alone, I think it's a good one. I think the issue of people's disapproval of such costly pieces of fashion stems from the idea that there is some "club" that exists that they cannot get into. That is the club of the super-rich, with I think fashion is emblematic of because people see it as a field SOLELY for the rich. A Lamborghini, for example, is a rich man's car, but the average guy on the street can still have a good car that isn't $100,000 and feel proud. Though this is definitely true for fashion as well---you don't have to be loaded to be chic---I think a lot of people don't understand it that way. Fashion, for them, is not a work of craftsmanship and ingenuity. It is either a status symbol or purely utilitarian.
Maybe it's being elitist and snobby to say that most people just don't "get" it, but I think it might be the case.
Hi! You are on japanease fashion magazine.So maybe japanease people eyes will be on your fashion.
You are amazing girl!
im so in love with all your little head pieces that you wear,so jealous,your amazing darling :)
Dear Tavi,
Fascinating.gorgeous creative blog!!.. i just love love adore keeping track of your articles!!!.
this is one of my favourite articles on fashion. it is an art form. like any other famous work of art, it is expensive, and luxurious, and some just do not care for it. except people do not ridicule fine art as they do the fashion industry. anyway, thanks for posting this. it really is so true.
I like your blog, and think it is very fascinating!! I am on your age, and I think you are tops most. I am from norway, and its cool to read somthing different. Good luck :D
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